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'MUST SPEAK ENGLISH' LAW IS NOT RACIST (UK)

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A LAW forcing immigrant spouses to speak English before entering Britain was ruled legitimate yesterday.

 

Three claimants tried to get the rule overturned, arguing it interfered with their right to a married life and was racist and discriminatory.

But in a High Court review Mr Justice Beatson dismissed the case, saying the rule is rational and that even if it does affect married couple’s lives, it does not override Britain’s right to protect its interests.

Sir Andrew Green of Migration Watch UK said: “Perhaps we are seeing the dawn of common sense in these immigration cases.”

And Ukip MEP Gerard Batten called the ruling a rare “victory for common sense”.

One of the claimants was British-born Rashida Chapti, 54, whose Indian husband of 37 years and father of her six children cannot join her in Leicester because he cannot speak English. She said she plans to appeal.

The other claimants are a couple from Pakistan and another from the Yemen.

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upswing

It's always amazed me that anyone who wants to live in a foreign-speaking country would have a hard time being told they have to learn the language.

Actually, it amazes me that people moving to a foriegn country wouldn't WANT to learn the language.

  • 12 votes
Reply#1 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 10:40 PM EST
rocinnante

It is ironic though. The Brits invaded and colonized dozens of countries.

And guess what? The colonists never bothered to learn any of those languages. In India, they didn't speak Hindi. They spoke English.

I guess whats good for the goose isn't necessarily good for the gander.

  • 2 votes
#1.1 - Sun Dec 18, 2011 12:35 PM EST
upswing

Are you suggesting that the immigrants that come to the UK are invading/colonizing it?

Seems pretty extreme if you are.

  • 2 votes
#1.2 - Sun Dec 18, 2011 9:17 PM EST
paxildog

So by the logic in #1.1, all immigrants not speaking the common language of the country are by definition, invaders and trying to overthrow the government. We should therefore be imprisoning them or advocating war against the country from which they arrive. Illegal ones deserve the harshest of all and are people without a country and to be set to sea.

Hmmmm..... No, I don't think that was or is the intention of any of the Brits even when invaded.

  • 3 votes
#1.3 - Sun Dec 18, 2011 9:59 PM EST
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the DfwDude

English should be declared the language of America and then remove all spanish translations from every product on the shelve! Why learn our language when theirs is printed on any and every thing.

Just one small reason the price of products goes up,we pay for their laziness....and I am Tired of it.

  • 10 votes
Reply#2 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 11:30 PM EST
Clint-746036

It is no where near racism. A law that forces people to assimilate so they can succeed is not racist. It says, "please join us as an equal as soon as possible"

  • 10 votes
Reply#3 - Sun Dec 18, 2011 12:05 AM EST
lovemyplanet-400560

Of course it's not racist! English should be spoken in Britain. Is India, or any other non-Western country willing to change their language for Western immigrants or welcome us, with or without learning their language, with open arms? Of course not. Neither should we (or Britain or France, or Germany, etc.). If a person wishes to move to another country, they must abide by that country's rules and learn their language. Just common sense, really.

  • 8 votes
Reply#4 - Sun Dec 18, 2011 12:31 AM EST
robynlewisTX.

If a person wishes to move to another country, they must abide by that country's rules and learn their language. Just common sense, really.

Exactly, lovemyplanet-400560. If they don't like it, they can always move back to their motherland.

  • 7 votes
#4.1 - Sun Dec 18, 2011 1:14 AM EST
VIVA-796465

i have always wondered why people from other countries arrive at the new country, only to brag about their country of origin............i have heard so many people say,"In my country," BLAH BLAH,BLAH..........like yeah well if it was so much better?????..........why are you here taking up space...........BLAH

then they go on to tell everyone how rich they were in their country and how they owned land and had servants up the arse............BLAH

  • 3 votes
#4.2 - Sun Dec 18, 2011 10:30 AM EST
samenslow

I was raised in Florida. How tired we got of, "Things are so much better in New York."

But I live an ex-pat life. When (seldom) I am with a group of Americans, we speak English and bitch and moan about everything. This is not because we hate where we are. It is because there are little things which drive us nuts - and only another American will understand what we are bitching about. I do think Americans can be the biggest complainers (maybe except the French) of complaining about how other cultures live when in someone else's country.

One of the most difficult things to do in a new country is to figure out how ordinary things are done (how to pay the electric bill, get a telephone, etc.) Things that are done without thinking when in the US become a learning experience. Going to live in another culture is not easy. Cut some slack. Even on language (until citizenship is sought), if someone is attempting to use English - encourage it. People accommodate us when we travel. We can return the courtesy.

    #4.3 - Sun Dec 18, 2011 10:54 AM EST
    upswing

    samenshow:

    if someone is attempting to use English - encourage it.

    Hard to argue with that! :-)

      #4.4 - Sun Dec 18, 2011 10:55 AM EST
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      From Left to Right

      I'm an RN in the US and we have these great language phones that have live translators that we can call. The patient holds one phone, the caregiver holds the other and conversation is translated by a third party. Virtually every language is represented. I actually had an elderly hispanic gal throw the phone into my face. She was angry that I didn't speak spanish!! I later found out that she wasn't even an American citizen. Her family, only one of which was here legally, brought her here from Mexico for great care. Only one person in that family spoke english and not very well. They were hostile to any staff that didn't speak spanish! Everyone who moves to a new country should have to learn the language. It helps them do well in their new home. Certainly not racist!!!

      • 9 votes
      Reply#5 - Sun Dec 18, 2011 12:49 AM EST
      lib tarded

      "Sir Andrew Green of Migration Watch UK said: “Perhaps we are seeing the dawn of common sense in these immigration cases.”

      Let's hope so.

      • 5 votes
      Reply#6 - Sun Dec 18, 2011 12:55 AM EST
      samenslow

      I am considered a Liberal and am proud of the title, but I support the English language requirement for all Americans. We are a melting pot - not a salad. We thrive on differences, but these differences are connected by our common language.

      Anyone (including Native Americans) who cannot speak English is limited in opportunities for economic and social advancement. The ghetto becomes self-made.

      By all means keep your native language. English speakers need to learn another language for their benefit. This is easier when the second language is learned at a very early age.

      • 4 votes
      Reply#7 - Sun Dec 18, 2011 1:07 AM EST
      the DfwDude

      I do not mind learning a second language,by my choice,but not because I feel forced to do so.

      Not going to happen.

      • 2 votes
      #7.1 - Sun Dec 18, 2011 1:11 AM EST
      Clint-746036

      DfwDude, then don't move to a place where you need to know a second language to survive. You have a choice.

      • 4 votes
      #7.2 - Sun Dec 18, 2011 1:17 AM EST
      the DfwDude

      DfwDude, then don't move to a place where you need to know a second language to survive

      If I was to move ,let's say to Mexico, I would know enough of the language to get by before I moved there. I would not expect them in their own country to learn my language.

      That's just plain rude!

      • 3 votes
      #7.3 - Sun Dec 18, 2011 1:30 AM EST
      Clint-746036

      Okay, I get it and I agree.

      • 3 votes
      #7.4 - Sun Dec 18, 2011 1:33 AM EST
      the DfwDude

      Thank you

      • 2 votes
      #7.5 - Sun Dec 18, 2011 1:40 AM EST
      VIVA-796465

      hey when we lived in Caracas...........everyone at the international school had to take Spanish, from PK to 12th grade..........they didn't care where you came from...........luckily we already spoke Spanish, but my girls still had to take the classes............no special treatment, Spanish for all.........Japanese, Russians, Dutch, Brits, French, Canadians............all meant all.

      • 2 votes
      #7.6 - Sun Dec 18, 2011 10:34 AM EST
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      Uthaclena

      Rather like Voter ID, this strikes me as a solution for which there is little actual problem; we are already addressing it fairly effectively. The cost of accommodating multi-lingualism is minimal, and the vast majority of immigrant-speakers pick up English pretty quickly, simply because it's practical. I think most of the impetus is just from aggravated feelings, "It's our country, they should be speaking our language!!"

        Reply#8 - Sun Dec 18, 2011 2:01 AM EST
        samenslow

        To speak English is a requirement for citizenship.

        • 4 votes
        #8.1 - Sun Dec 18, 2011 2:13 AM EST
        Clint-746036

        To speak English is a requirement for citizenship.

        You are right unless you are a bleeding heart educator or social worker, then the requirement is trumped by overwhelming sympathy and superior intellect.

        • 5 votes
        #8.2 - Sun Dec 18, 2011 2:22 AM EST
        samenslow

        Wrong. English is a requirement to obtain citizenship unless it serves the political agenda of either party, generally Cuban=Republican, Mexican=Democrat, etc. I am one of those Liberals who believe the social workers in this instance are wrong if they believe they are protecting people by not requiring them to learn English. I would also suggest that those advocating not requiring English have more of a political agenda than liberal social agenda. It is easier to control a block of votes if the people being lead cannot understand what everyone else is saying. It is easier to twist words, control minds.

        • 1 vote
        #8.3 - Sun Dec 18, 2011 4:05 AM EST
        upswing

        Uthaclena:

        re #8

        I think the problem is when immigrants expect that their particular language should be preserved and indulged in an foreign-speaking country.

        And, I'm not sure where you're getting your figures per the cost of accommodating multi-lingualism, but I know, for instance, that some (US) court systems and welfare systems pay a hugely disproportionate amount of money to accommodate non-English speaking people.

        My point is that anyone who shows up at another country's doorstep, assuming that it isn't a refugee emergency, should have the good grace to not start their time in their new country by costing the taxpayers of that new country ANY money at all.

        After all, you wouldn't show up at a friend's house in a foreign country expecting that he'd hired a translator, so why show up in someone else's country expecting that that country will have that facility?

        To me, it's a matter of common courtesy and being a considerate guest.

        What's wrong with that?

        • 3 votes
        #8.4 - Sun Dec 18, 2011 10:07 AM EST
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        Marcel Villa

        I agree to this post completely. When someone immigrate to another country then they must learn to speak the language and customs of that country and use it outside the confines of their property. This is not discrimination because there is no restrictions of them using their language and practicing their own culture and born language.

        If at all, it is a gesture of respect to the country who have given you the comfort and pleasures of that country. If by a stroke of bad luck you were not able to make it good then it is your fault and not of that country for failing to assimilate, learn and apply the country's prime language and culture.

        Start packing and go back to your country of origin if you refuse to practice the culture of that country because they did not forced you to come nor did they ask you to disclaim your own country. Your freedom of speech and racial is not being removed because you can practice it without interference within the confines of your own property but you must not expect the country to change their own culture and language just so to please you, It is you who must change, no matter how good you feel about your old beliefs not them.

        The U.S.A. must apply the same to their immigrants.

        • 1 vote
        Reply#9 - Sun Dec 18, 2011 3:03 AM EST
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        the DfwDude

        Adding 'insult to the injury' is made worse when I go into a fast food to grab a bite and I give my order to the person at the counter and I get back a blank look so I am forced to repeat it slower hoping they understand finally the hit several buttons on the register ,take my money...all the while chattering with a coworker in spanish (which I think is very rude)

        Finally I get my change and my order and I have learned......check the order to make sure it is correct and check the receipt to make sure I was charged right and got correct change.

        I no longer go to some places because it is not worth the aggravation .

        • 1 vote
        Reply#11 - Sun Dec 18, 2011 4:16 AM EST
        upswing

        the DfwDude:

        I no longer go to some places because it is not worth the aggravation .

        Seems like a reasonable response.

        I think that business people in the US who don't insist that their employees -- particularly those involved with English-speaking customers -- know and use English all day are making a huge business mistake, as your response to your experience suggests.

        • 2 votes
        #11.1 - Sun Dec 18, 2011 10:12 AM EST
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        VIVA-796465

        so i am coming back home from Caracas one day and the person in front of me has a US passport like i do........she can't communicate with the official processing her.......turns around and asks me to help her..........what the hell????????

        so if i don't speak french why would i have a french passport...........not that i would want one.

        • 1 vote
        Reply#12 - Sun Dec 18, 2011 10:38 AM EST
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