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German court legalises euthanasia with patient consent

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A top German court has ruled that it is not a criminal offence to cut off the life support of a dying person if that person has given their consent.

The Federal Court of Justice acquitted a lawyer who had advised the daughter of a comatose woman to cut off her feeding tube.

Earlier the patient had expressed her wish not to be kept alive artificially.

The lawyer appealed to the federal court after a lower court had given him a nine-month suspended sentence.

The mother, in her seventies, fell into a coma in 2002 and had been in a vegetative state for five years when her daughter removed the feeding tube.

After the daughter's action hospital staff reinserted a feeding tube, against the children's wishes, but the patient died of heart failure two weeks later.

Germany's Justice Minister, Sabine Leutheusser-Schnarrenberger, said the Karlsruhe federal court ruling brought clarity to cases involving terminally ill patients.

The ruling does not legalise active assisted suicide, which is punishable by up to five years in prison in Germany, the news website Spiegel Online reports.

The ruling applies to passively assisting death through the removal of artificial life support. It makes this legal if the patient has given clear consent.

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upswing

This is always such a tough decision ... Even if the person making the decision has the patient's permission...

I'm not sure that, even if a loved one gave me their permission to authorize letting them die, I could do it.

  • 4 votes
Reply#1 - Sun Jun 27, 2010 9:12 AM EDT
LanaD

Its the same as pulling the plug on a family member (which often no one knows their wishes)and that happens all the time. The only difference is that they explicitly gave them permission to not keep them on life support. My mother has said if she is ever faced with being kept alive by machines in a vegetativestate that we are to take her off the life support. I would look at it as fulfilling her last wishes

  • 7 votes
#1.1 - Sun Jun 27, 2010 9:44 AM EDT
Rhazes

Some of these terminal illnesses are so painful and for many the pain meds don't work. I've heard stories of neighbors hearing the screams for days. Honestly, doesn't need to be a loved one for me if my neighbor was in that much pain with no relief I would go over and end it if they wished no matter the consequences for me.

I'm not going to hang around this thread much longer the Evangelicals will eventually show up shortly and talk about how they have entertainment and activities to cheer these people up and there is no need to euthanize. It just makes me sick to my stomach.

  • 5 votes
#1.2 - Sun Jun 27, 2010 10:38 AM EDT
kiml

My wife and I have both agreed to cut it short. If we are dying, end the suffering. Quit making doctors more money by keeping us alive.

  • 5 votes
#1.3 - Sun Jun 27, 2010 10:49 AM EDT
Tina-293371

As a health professional I have seen terminally ill people begging to die. I have seen cancer ridden 90 year olds for whom the family wants "everything done" including CPR if their father or mother stops breathing.

I know it is very hard to let a loved one go and my heart goes out to people faced with this situation. It is human nature to cling to hope.

But I will not let my loved ones linger if they are terminal and I have given explicit instructions to my spouse and kids not to do that to me.

  • 7 votes
#1.4 - Sun Jun 27, 2010 10:52 AM EDT
rkymtnwoman

I like the American way of euthanasia

privatized just get a gun or some pills or a rope and do yourself with no support or help of any kind

and if anyone helps you end your terminal misery they go to prison as a murderer here in the land o the free

  • 1 vote
#1.5 - Sun Jun 27, 2010 12:09 PM EDT
upswing

LanaD

I would look at it as fulfilling her last wishes

It would certainly be right and proper to respect he wishes.

Even still, I'm not sure that I would have the courage to do so ...

  • 2 votes
#1.6 - Sun Jun 27, 2010 12:11 PM EDT
upswing

Rhazes:

I've heard stories of neighbors hearing the screams for days.

How disturbing!

I'm not going to hang around this thread much longer the Evangelicals will eventually show up shortly and talk about how they have entertainment and activities to cheer these people up and there is no need to euthanize. It just makes me sick to my stomach.

I suppose there ar numerous arguments on this one -- It's such a personal challenge for all involved. And I tink that that is a good thing.

  • 2 votes
#1.7 - Sun Jun 27, 2010 12:15 PM EDT
upswing

rkymtnwoman:

privatized just get a gun or some pills or a rope and do yourself with no support or help of any kind

I think it is in Oregon that the state health care plan will actually pay for a pill that will end a patient's life, particularly in situations where coveage for very expensive life-extending treatmet is being denied.

  • 1 vote
#1.8 - Sun Jun 27, 2010 12:18 PM EDT
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Krankee

This should be a right for all humans, particularly those who are terminally ill.

Saw a video on PBS about this recently called The Suicide Tourist. You can watch it online and I'd highly recommend it. The man in this video has balls of steel. Near end of video, this man is presented with the cup of fluid that will end his life and told "if you drink this you will die, do you understand". He shakes his head and says yes then immediately slurps up the liquid through a straw.

  • 4 votes
Reply#2 - Sun Jun 27, 2010 10:05 AM EDT
Rixar13

A top German court has ruled that it is not a criminal offence to cut off the life support of a dying person if that person has given their consent.

Krankee

This should be a right for all humans, particularly those who are terminally ill

I agree but forget about it with the holy rollers dictating your morality. sigh

  • 6 votes
Reply#3 - Sun Jun 27, 2010 10:11 AM EDT
Kitty4038

I agree 100% that a person has the right to terminate their own life or if need be ask for assistance. I am a bible believing Christian and see nothing wrong with a patient who is in agonizing pain or terminally ill, choosing to end his life. If you ever seen someone dying, say of cancer and watch what it does to them, and they are begging to die, is it not their right?

I also support living wills. If someone disagrees with this then let them suffer and die naturally. No one is forcing anyone to end their life, but it should be a choice for those who will face painful death or are living in a way, they do not want to.

  • 5 votes
#3.1 - Sun Jun 27, 2010 10:43 AM EDT
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Tina-293371

On a side note, no one should have to live their last days in pain, thanks to a wonderful thing called "hospice."

Their main goal is keeping terminally ill people pain-free up til the end.

  • 5 votes
Reply#4 - Sun Jun 27, 2010 10:58 AM EDT
Rhazes

Unfortunately, pain meds doesn't work for everyone. No amount of drugs, hand holding or entertainment is going to make things better for someone with ALS or a Quadriplegic who is trapped in a body they no longer control.

  • 4 votes
#4.1 - Sun Jun 27, 2010 11:11 AM EDT
upswing

Tina:

On a side note, no one should have to live their last days in pain, thanks to a wonderful thing called "hospice."

We have a hospice in or town that is excellent! I can't praise them enough for the care and professionalism they show their "clients" and their clients' familes.

  • 1 vote
#4.2 - Sun Jun 27, 2010 12:21 PM EDT
Tina-293371

Rhazes, I agree with you. I was referring to cancer patients with only days or weeks to live. They can be hooked up to a morphine drip so they go out pain free.

As far as a person with ALS or quadriplegia, I think they have every right to help to end their life if they want to.

  • 1 vote
#4.3 - Mon Jun 28, 2010 7:48 AM EDT
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Marcel Villa

German Court shows more common sense and sensibility than others. This is the way it should be.

  • 4 votes
Reply#5 - Sun Jun 27, 2010 11:08 AM EDT
Skye-768303

This is no big deal. We already have this in the US. What I want is assisted suicide to be legal with necessary constraints.

  • 4 votes
Reply#6 - Sun Jun 27, 2010 11:28 AM EDT
Matti Viikate

That is good thing, but it would be even better, if it would be legal in other cases too. It is not right that people would need to suffer, if they dont want to.

  • 3 votes
Reply#7 - Sun Jun 27, 2010 11:42 AM EDT
Cipher-0

I've got the living will and health care proxies set up, as well as told loved ones my wishes.

Not only do I not wish to be kept alive on machines, I've actually written detailed instructions for my adult children on how to kill me if I'm in a non-recoverable state in such a way as to make it look like simple heart failure.

  • 3 votes
Reply#8 - Sun Jun 27, 2010 12:06 PM EDT
upswing

Cipher:

I've actually written detailed instructions for my adult children on how to kill me if I'm in a non-recoverable state in such a way as to make it look like simple heart failure.

Do you think that they would be able to follow through with your instructions?

Also, I hope that they don't hang on to the written instructions if they have to use them, since those instructions could be used as evidence of them "illegally" killing you.

    #8.1 - Sun Jun 27, 2010 12:27 PM EDT
    Cipher-0

    Do you think that they would be able to follow through with your instructions?

    Who knows if and until I reach that point whether they will or not.

    Also, I hope that they don't hang on to the written instructions if they have to use them, since those instructions could be used as evidence of them "illegally" killing you.

    Memorized and destroyed. :)

    • 2 votes
    #8.2 - Sun Jun 27, 2010 3:16 PM EDT
    Tina-293371

    Cipher, I applaud you for being so proactive.

    My husband jokes that our kids won't even wait til he is in a "non-recoverable state" to pull the plug.

      #8.3 - Mon Jun 28, 2010 7:52 AM EDT
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